Kevin Ferguson's Nightshift (boycott)

QuiNSANiTy · Post by **QuiNSANiTy** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:04 pm

I'm glad you see where I'm coming from Conley. If I would have known about Kevin Ferguson before I wouldn't have done business with him before. I just got back in town after 7 years of school in May. Dippping in and out of Fort Wayne during the summer doesn't give you enough of a full picture to everything that's going on. And especially when it comes down to hearing stuff about the Night Shift gig. I started to hear things after I was doing it and now I know those rumors are pretty much fact.

It's not just about business, it's about ethics and integrity. Some people are just NOT good people. Sometimes you have disagreements, and that's fine that's business. We all have different opinions, needs, and wants. Sometimes you have to work with people you don't get along with and sometimes you do.. That's life.

This is a case where he isn't a good person. A person with morals would have not said anything at all on TV. Instead he used slander and lied. This is a classic case of 'back-stabbing'. If he had a competitor comedy club in town, he would have not have pulled those antics. I'm of course pissed that he went that route because he used us to make himself look better. He's stuck in his own little world.

At the sametime I'm pissed, I won't front about that.. but I'm a man of action. And I think I have a genuine and good message that as a community we dont have to condone that. While his show will go on, doesn't mean he'll have a band play there. That's what he really wants is a band. TRUST me... if no band played there that would send a message.

Lemme break down the man Known as Kevin Ferguson...
He's a spoiled man who had everything handed to him. And that's the way he acts. His parents were rich and he invested in SNICKERZ. He handled our situation like a spoiled kid. He has a temper and his people skills suck. And when he got on stage and bashed us, and said that the host band spot was open for other bands, and that he said a number of them were wanting on the show now. He showed his true colors. he talks down to everyone because he doesn't have any respect for what we did, or anyone that came before us. Which means he'll continue to do so with other band's unless addressed. HE THINKS HE IS ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING, that's how spoiled people act.

I tell it how it is, he's a backstabber, spoiled, brat, who thinks he is the sh*t, and he doesn't handle no for a answer. We told him "No thank you" and he had a hissy fit. That's why he harrassed us on the phone. The one thing that every business man should have for the other is some sort of mutual respect to not pull that sh*t. That's exactly why no one should work for him. But That's anyone else's choice. I'm just here to warn you that's the D!ck he is and I'd tell it to him in his face and If I ever see him on the street I will tell him to his face everything I just posted in the last two paragraphs.

Thanks for your time

Post by **cwallace** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:13 pm

I know someone will come back with 'this happens everywhere' after I post here, but save it...

It is not near as common by way of ratio than it is here...

This is a common practice in FW...this town has more than its share of bad seeds...now I like Kevin, I have known him for a while, I have absolutely NO problem with him nor would ever have issue with his club. I love to go there a few times a year and have a good laugh and it compares to other great comedy clubs in large cities...he is the only one in town and he knows that...how far he takes that is his own business...I can just say I never have had issue with him...though I know he can be arrogent...of course where I knew him from I had the ability to kick him out so he was nice to me..

Anyway...I think it is that some people in this town have outgrown it and won't go elsewhere to continue what they have built in this town...There are PLENTY of people in this town that think they are the sh*t and couldn't cut it anywhere else...the whole small town mentality of this hell hole...

The few people that I know who have done well here and got cocky and went elsewhere...L.A., Chicago, NYC among others...to take on the world and be the sh*t there have all come crawling back with their tails between their legs from a leson learned...but they are immediately back into 'cocky' mode once they return here...

Now once again I will state that I have no ill feelings towards Kevin, and love his club, and generally think he is a great guy to talk to and hang out with, but I can't defend him if he treats bands like that and anyone should take that knowledge and some other apparent common knowledge into consideration when dealing with the club...

I think this thread is not about ONE person or ONE club, but as a warning to ALL...listen to reputation, listen to others that have dealt with these places, and WHENEVER possible...try to get a contract...and once a contract either verbal or written is broken...move on...let others know in a cival and well articulated manner and move on...

Chris

Recordstar · Post by **Recordstar** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:04 pm

Well said !!!!

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:33 pm

I've had good luck in this town without contracts, but I know who to trust and who to not trust. Richard at C-Street, I'll play there any day of the week with no contract and know I'll be taken care of at the end of the night. I've not played Mid-City, but they have a great reputation as well. The bar NoRA is playing in Warsaw is great too. There was a little variation (very small) the first night, mainly due to a smaller than expected crowd, but other than that, exactly as advertised.

I won't work for Ferguson because this isn't the first time I've heard of this happening to somebody. I won't play at a certain Legendary bar because of the same thing.

I will play sessions at Sweetwater any time because the only time there was any variation in pay, I got MORE than I agreed to because they appreciated my flexibility and willingness to work with a, let's just say less than up-to-par singer-songwriter.

I've heard nothing but good things about all the studios in town as far as paying session players on time and exactly what they were offered as well.

It's a small town and for the most part, people's word around here is good. There are a few bad apples, but I think we all know who they are. I don't see much need for contracts around here, and like Conley said, you're not likely to get one anyway, but be cautious and if you get screwed once, don't go back.

Sankofa · Post by **Sankofa** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:45 pm

bassjones wrote:a, let's just say less than up-to-par singer-songwriter.

Dammit man, why do you have to bring my business up in a public forum?

used_submarine · Post by **used_submarine** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:44 pm

sharkmansix wrote:If you're worried about getting paid you need to get it in writing.

They went in not getting paid.

They later asked to get paid, Kevin said no.

They gave him notice and left on supposedly good terms, and he slanders them on air next week.

I don't see where all of this contract talk fits in here? I understand the need for a contract. And if Kevin had signed these guys to a contract and they no showed, he'd be able to sue. If AJ signed a contract and Kevin didn't pay, they could sue.

To me, it seems as though Kevin is two-facing here. He's not breaking a contract, just spreading lies for the sake of hurting the band's reputation.

If I'm missing the part about the contract, please correct me. I'm only human, and am prone to making mistakes when reading posts after a long day of work.

QuiNSANiTy · Post by **QuiNSANiTy** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:15 am

Guys trust me I understand how contracts work. lol
Like Used submarine said. I'm talking about integrity in business. Kevin Ferguson was nice to us when we played for him. Even after our discussion about not doing the Nightshift show, Kevin Ferguson bought Will (HDM) and myself 151 shots. That in himself just shows you he's fake.

He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. He basically schemed slandering us on TV. I'm sorry guys but just because someone smiles at you one day then backstabs you the next day doesn't really qualify you as a "good" person. If he is pissed because something didn't go the way he wanted it to, that's life. If thinsg didn't go the way you wanted to and you would handle things like kevin Ferguson the world would be a nasty place. Everyday dissappointing stuff happens and he had no right to talk sh*t on TV about us. It's one thing to state your opnion on TV but it's another thing to make false claims.

I don't think Kevin Ferguson is a very self-centered arrogant spoiled person. That's my opinion after seeing how much scheming and effort he put into slandering. Everyone here is entitled to your own opinions about Kevin Ferguson.. But the fact is he used slander on his show for no reason but to try and damage our reputation.

This wasn't just a verbal exchange. We basically walked the other way.. He took it a step further. This COULD be a legal issue because I'm a entertainer and he is hurting my product by making 'false statements' on TV. And it's obvious that's what he was doing even after stating it himself on the phone. I would have no problem if he talks sh*t about us on TV. But To make false claims.. That's not cool.

I'm not a cocky person. Confident but not cocky, I'm actually pretty humble. I believe that there is always someone better then you and that everyman is equal. I also value and respect people. But I do not like arrogant assholes that think they are God's Gift. But I don't believe in having some guy with a really bad hair cut try to ruin someone's reputation.

No one is perfect, but we did nothing to deserve such harsh treatment. We left respectfully. He dragged this sh*t on by slandering our name on TV. That's what pisses me off. And That's why I will never go there again unless it's to bust his balls with a lawyer. And then laugh at him for being such a ass.

I encourage everyone that reads this to not play or go there. But that's your choice.

~Q

Oliver's Army · Post by **Oliver's Army** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:00 pm

While I understand your point, I think you may be shining too bright of a light on this whole thing.

Dude, no one watches Night Shift and most would not have known any of this happened without your post. Honestly none of this is going to *really* effect your gigs or reputation

Kevin is an ass. We get it. Let it go and contact a lawyer if you have grounds. Sounds like you might. Kevin's reputation precedes him and now even more know.

Don't kick the dead horse too many times, man. It's not worth having people think you're petty.

my $0.02

Recordstar · Post by **Recordstar** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:12 pm

[quote="Oliver's Army"]
Kevin is an ass. We get it. Let it go and contact a lawyer if you have grounds. Sounds like you might.

Well said. Get an attorney if you feel that strong about it.

Post by **cwallace** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:29 pm

Well it is a comedy club...maybe he was 'joking'

Chris

Recordstar · Post by **Recordstar** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:22 pm

C'mon Chris...................one bad comic is enough..LOL !!!

HumanDrumMachine · Post by **HumanDrumMachine** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:42 pm

bassjones wrote:I've had good luck in this town without contracts, but I know who to trust and who to not trust. Richard at C-Street, I'll play there any day of the week with no contract and know I'll be taken care of at the end of the night. I've not played Mid-City, but they have a great reputation as well. The bar NoRA is playing in Warsaw is great too. There was a little variation (very small) the first night, mainly due to a smaller than expected crowd, but other than that, exactly as advertised.

I won't work for Ferguson because this isn't the first time I've heard of this happening to somebody. I won't play at a certain Legendary bar because of the same thing.

I will play sessions at Sweetwater any time because the only time there was any variation in pay, I got MORE than I agreed to because they appreciated my flexibility and willingness to work with a, let's just say less than up-to-par singer-songwriter.

I've heard nothing but good things about all the studios in town as far as paying session players on time and exactly what they were offered as well.

It's a small town and for the most part, people's word around here is good. There are a few bad apples, but I think we all know who they are. I don't see much need for contracts around here, and like Conley said, you're not likely to get one anyway, but be cautious and if you get screwed once, don't go back.

THANK YOU ! well put.That is what i think as well.

HumanDrumMachine · Post by **HumanDrumMachine** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:44 pm

QuiNSANiTy · Post by **QuiNSANiTy** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:18 pm

First of all I'm not beating a dead horse if some people are going away from the main topic. I already answered and said I know how contracts work and I wasn't complaining about pay. The topic was about Kevin's Treatment of bands. Many of you shared your experiences and I thank you. Many of you put your input on Kevin's Ferguson character and after I shared my experiences some people some how thought the main topic was contracts.

Having a contract wouldn't have prevented this situation and that's my point. It would have gotten us paid if it was signed but at the sametime once we left we still would have been slandered.

I'm NOT worried about Kevin Ferguson. he is NOT going to hurt my business with one comment. But if he keeps making comments I might think about getting a lawyer. I already stated that I wasn't worried. I'm simply here to tell you to don't support his lame ass. And from the looks of it no one does. I also want to find out what other bad experiences others have had. I thank those for sharing.

Don't get it twisted, I was venting, but some people weren't getting the point. The point wasn't if , how, or when to use a contract. I told everyone on this forum that "if I was you, don't give him the time of day, even boycott" The Point was slander and integrity. And btw I agree with no contract is needed in the this town except special situations.

But like you said, not alot of peolpe watch that show which is EXACTLY why I posted on here so you know my experience. Peeps wouldn't know if I didn't say anything and the cycle starts over again.

So Thanks for taking some time and sharing your exeriences. And I think most of the people no where i'm coming from. If not.. I tried..

PEACE ~Q

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duke · Post by **duke** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:14 am

and he ain't even funny I have never heard some laugh at his own jokes so hard and be the only on laughing.