Please search google for "loose change 2nd edition"

[sharkmansix]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

In case people are confused.

[Max Forbing]

besides... .you only have to look at the picture (and poor video quality) to tell that the man in the video looks nothing like bin laden

[Max Forbing]

The aim of propaganda is to influence people's opinions actively, rather than merely to communicate the facts about something....

i go for the facts

[Max Forbing]

hey heaveans chimney...if you really think that the american paople are this powerless....then please just pay close attetion to me everyday untill i die

[Max Forbing]

even qwetty knows about building 7 ....we are making progress here !!!

[heaven's chimney]

m.a.x., what exactly are you doing about 9/11? what are you doing about corporations that ignore OSHA standards and their employees are killed? what are you doing about the corporations that have POISONED all of us (dioxin, the ultra-ultra-deadly-super-deadly poison, is in all of us)?


and if you are doing stuff, PM me.

[WBOB]

...meanwhile, back in the Middle East,....

the insurgents watch CNN,CNBC,FOX,ABC,NBC,CBS,BBC,etc.

and what do they see?:

1. all the press saying the war, Bush, allies are wrong.
2. congressman, senators arguing back & forth
3. all the latest reports of bombings,casualties in great detail
4. we're losing the war, civil unrest is everywhere.
5. N Korea/Iran standing up to the world.
6. many many more examples to list

their reaction.

They become emboldened knowing that their cause might just
succeed after all.

[sharkmansix]

Also if you don't want to watch my debunking video, here's a brief overview of all the errors:

Note: the "Loose Change Viewer Guide" is linked in this section because the errors it enumerates are too many to list here.

In the introduction to his "Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide," Mark Roberts states, "I counted 81 errors of fact (statements like 1+1 = 3). In addition, I counted 345 instances of conjecture not supported by evidence, logical fallacies, uses of images that do not support the conclusions being drawn, and other flubs. And that’s only counting errors of commission. The errors of omission are much more serious."

For example, major omissions about the Pentagon attack include not mentioning that dozens of eyewitnesses state that they saw an American Airlines jet strike the Pentagon, that tons of Flight 77 debris was recovered there, along with numerous personal effects of passengers, and that all but one of flight 77's victims' remains were positively identified by forensics experts.[citation needed] No attempt is made in "Loose Change" to interview – or to present the findings of – the thousands of experts who were involved in the 9/11 investigations.

The "Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide" is available as a 146-page, 5 Mb .doc download [1], or as an HTML document.[2] (Note: this guide is to be updated when the "Loose Change" creators resolve their copyright violation issues.). "Sifting Through Loose Change: the 9-11 Research Companion to Loose Change 2nd Edition," is an interactive guide using an illustrated transcript here.

The film states that New York's Empire State Building was hit by a B-52 in 1945. It was actually a B-25 Mitchell, an aircraft less than one-third the size of a B-52 (the B-52 was not in service in 1945). The authors have since acknowledged this error and apologized.

The movie cites a study in which cell phone calls were increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to get through up to and at an altitude of 32,000 ft (9 750 m). According to air traffic controllers in Cleveland, who alerted their counterparts at John P. Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County, Flight 93 headed south and then east and began a steady descent from an altitude of over 20,000 feet (6 100 m) to less than 6,000 feet (1 830 m). [9]

The film states that 5 light posts were knocked over by Flight 77 and suggests that a plane hitting a single light pole would crash, citing the example of a Gulfstream II headed to Houston saying it crashed because it hit a light pole. The film suggests the pole ripped the wing off. In fact the Gulfstream II jet crashed and a TV reporter noted it had clipped a light pole while crashing. Light poles are designed to detach on impact to save lives if a car crashes into it. [10]

Another possible flaw within the film is the suggestion of voice manipulation on Flight 93. While it is true that the technology does exist, it would seem that in order for voice manipulation technology to take place as Loose Change suggests, the voice needs to be recorded, not live. Flight 93 conversations were live. Although the above state voice modulation technology was touted as being able to recreate voices in almost "real time." [11]

The film suggests that there is a rumour claiming $167 billion in gold was stored in vaults beneath the World Trade Center, and that only $200 million of that amount was recovered. This amount would have exceeded the entire amount of U.S. gold reserves by approximately $67 billion, and would be about 56% of the world's gold reserves in September, 2001. In fact, all of the approximately $230 million in precious metals stored in the vaults beneath the WTC was recovered. [3]

The film focuses on the wrong type of engine for Flight 77. Bollyn, the reporter of American Free Press that Loose Changes uses, had contacted the factory in Indiana which makes engines for small planes like the Cessna Citation and Global Hawk, rather than the plant in Quebec that overhauls the 757 engines or the factory in Derby, England. Loose Change implies 757's only have Pratt & Whitney engines made of steel and titanium alloy. This is incorrect, because the engines used in Flight 77 are Rolls-Royce engines. [12]

From:Wiki

[heaven's chimney]

WBOB: dissent and resistance is the american way. dont be a traitor.



(PS: substitute "indigenous people the world over" for "insurgents." By the way, check the definition of insurgent before you use it like a four letter word. Get out of their country.)

[WBOB]

WBOB: dissent and resistance is the american way. dont be a traitor.

except when you encourage your own countries enemies
then it comes close to treason which is also being a traitor.

Other side of the coin.

[Max Forbing]

For example, major omissions about the Pentagon attack include not mentioning that dozens of eyewitnesses state that they saw an American Airlines jet strike the Pentagon, that tons of Flight 77 debris was recovered there, along with numerous personal effects of passengers, and that all but one of flight 77's victims' remains were positively identified by forensics experts.[citation needed] No attempt is made in "Loose Change" to interview – or to present the findings of – the thousands of experts who were involved in the 9/11 investigations.

this kind of s h i t really makes me laugh.......i saw the debrie on as many news stations that covered it...why would the governemt go around and seize all the footage from local hotels that captured it all on tape? why such a big mystery??

[Oliver's Army]

"WHY?"... indeed.

[sharkmansix]

why would the governemt go around and seize all the footage from local hotels that captured it all on tape?

It's pretty simple why someone would try to compile all of the evidence in one place, to come to a logical conclusion about what happened.

Think about it like a crime. You want to get all of the evidence possible to make an assessment of what happened. Different videos / angles may provide different views on what heppened.

[Max Forbing]

and everyone knows that rolls royce makes engines for 757 ...
the film clearly states that.

THe Fact however is that the engine that they found inside of the pentagon
was NOT any that was made by rolls royce...and if you dont belive me you can call rolls royce and ask them...but the government is also doing their job to make sure they shut up too..(they have a way of doing that when they have alot of $$$) and futher more...the whol in the pentagon look like a freakin misslie hit it ...where are the large gashes from where the titanium engines would have smashed into the wall..
and ofcourse the "plane" hit the oly side of the pentagon that was renevated to withstand that kind of an attack, and all they high officials were conviently safe on the other side of the buliding

its quiet......tooooo quiet

[Max Forbing]

will somebody please go watch "contolled demolitons" on the history channel.....seriously you dont have to be a mathmatician