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[Recordstar]

writing, recording, booking, promoting, buying equipment, musical arrangements, marketing...playing the gig is a small factor in creating income.

That may very well be so, but which of the items you listed create income? It looks like an expense sheet.

About the only thing in the list that doesn't create income for the musician is buying equipment, unless you're the one selling it. Everything else is a marketable commodity within the music (entertainment) business. Evidently you're not aware of what generates income within the business. As I said, playing the gig is only a small part of it.

[Sankofa]

^I am speaking from the perspective as a musician.

[sevesd93]

writing, recording, booking, promoting, buying equipment, musical arrangements, marketing...playing the gig is a small factor in creating income.

That may very well be so, but which of the items you listed create income? It looks like an expense sheet.

About the only thing in the list that doesn't create income for the musician is buying equipment, unless you're the one selling it. Everything else is a marketable commodity within the music (entertainment) business. Evidently you're not aware of what generates income within the business. As I said, playing the gig is only a small part of it.

If you are a hired gun, the only thing that matters for income is playing gig.

[Recordstar]

That may very well be so, but which of the items you listed create income? It looks like an expense sheet.

About the only thing in the list that doesn't create income for the musician is buying equipment, unless you're the one selling it. Everything else is a marketable commodity within the music (entertainment) business. Evidently you're not aware of what generates income within the business. As I said, playing the gig is only a small part of it.

If you are a hired gun, the only thing that matters for income is playing gig.

But that is only one aspect of the music business. It is made up of more than just playing the gig. If that's all , or as far asyou want to go in music fine, but don't bury your head in the sand of other music income sources.

[girlzrock]

writing, recording, booking, promoting, buying equipment, musical arrangements, marketing...playing the gig is a small factor in creating income.

That may very well be so, but which of the items you listed create income? It looks like an expense sheet.

For the hobbiest just looking to play around town and have some fun, gigging is the most important thing on the list. If you remove venues that we can play at, then you remove our ability to play whether it be for an income or not. I completely understand the business side of music and how important that can be for professional musicians, but what does it do to the person who wants to do this on the side because it's fun. I can name at least 3 venues that I know of that stopped having live music because they couldn't afford the license required to have music (all decided that even having original music was a risk they would not take) One of those venues was my favorite place to play and remains to this day the most money I've made anywhere in town solo. At some point there needs to be a balance to the whole thing.

Just my 2 and half cents!

[Recordstar]

We're mixing apples and oranges. I'm talking about the professional - fulltime- working musician/promoter/writer/arranger/agent/recording studio...etc... that derives his income from the music business and related services. And yes, the hobbyist has his place too, but I'd rather not see them in the venues that suppots fulltime musicians (note the words "supports fulltime musicians"). Although I have to say, the Ft Wayne music scene is definately not a conducive environment for the fulltime professional entertainer/musician/...etc... There was a time when it was. And please, don't take that out of context and try to make an issue of it. Many factors contributed to that downfall. So the main thing is try to be the best at what you do in entertainment, and enjoy what you do whether at The Berlin Pub/ Legends/Piere's/Columbia Street/or your garage.

[Oliver's Army]

Then again FtW isn't the Mecca of the "Professional" music *anything*.

With all due respect to Silencio, LaBov, Sweetwater and the like.

Typically the pros struggling in this town find their way to greener pastures for more work and better opportunities.

[Recordstar]

Then again FtW isn't the Mecca of the "Professional" music *anything*.

With all due respect to Silencio, LaBov, Sweetwater and the like.

Typically the pros struggling in this town find their way to greener pastures for more work and better opportunities.

It's sad, but. I have to agree with this.

[girlzrock]

[quote="Recordstar"]And yes, the hobbyist has his place too, but I'd rather not see them in the venues that suppots fulltime musicians (note the words "supports fulltime musicians"). [quote]

Please don't take this the wrong way because by no means do I mean for this to sound crappy, but based on what you're saying, I as a "hobbyist" musician who has chosen to have a full time job to support my musical equipment buying habits should be excluded from venues that support "fulltime" musicians. I tried being a fulltime musician and it just didn't pay the bills at least not in this town. I'm definitely not knocking being a fulltime musician because I respect anyone who has the balls to do that, I just know that there are a lot of people who don't want to do it full time for a variety of reasons. That shouldn't exclude you from a venue.

[Silencio]

Then again FtW isn't the Mecca of the "Professional" music *anything*.

With all due respect to Silencio, LaBov, Sweetwater and the like.

Typically the pros struggling in this town find their way to greener pastures for more work and better opportunities.

Dude... no respect due or required. I am totally hip that Fort Wayne is not Grand Central.

[Recordstar]

And yes, the hobbyist has his place too, but I'd rather not see them in the venues that suppots fulltime musicians (note the words "supports fulltime musicians").

Please don't take this the wrong way because by no means do I mean for this to sound crappy, but based on what you're saying, I as a "hobbyist" musician who has chosen to have a full time job to support my musical equipment buying habits should be excluded from venues that support "fulltime" musicians. I tried being a fulltime musician and it just didn't pay the bills at least not in this town. I'm definitely not knocking being a fulltime musician because I respect anyone who has the balls to do that, I just know that there are a lot of people who don't want to do it full time for a variety of reasons. That shouldn't exclude you from a venue.

See !!! You did just what I asked not to do. Putting more into it than necessary. So...............what the hell, another locked into the Ft Wayne music mentallity. You totally miss the point

[Oliver's Army]

Then you need to clarify your point.

I read it the same way she did.

[Recordstar]

At various times I find posting on certain topics in FWM.com an exercise in futility

[girlzrock]

Then you need to clarify your point.

I read it the same way she did.

Um, thank you! All I'm saying is that a musician is a musician whether they choose to be "fulltime" or a "hobbyist". I understand the concept of the business of music I've just decided it's not for me. If you do it and make a living at it, that's awesome, I applaud that. I'm not stuck in any sort of mentality. I love being able to play on the weekends and still having my day job. Whether I choose to be fulltime or part time with it should have no impact on where I should be able to play. Again not trying to be crappy and if I took your post wrong I apologize for my lack of understanding.

[Recordstar]

Post where you're playing next. I'd love to catch your act...sincerely !!