Not surprised

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:20 pm

Don't forget Mickey Mouse!

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WBOB · Post by **WBOB** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:23 pm

Sankofa wrote:My train of thought being what leads to the conditions that give rise to somebody considering membership in an extremist organization a life option?

....from several generations taught in schools as children to hate the
zionist Israelis and the West in general....

Sankofa · Post by **Sankofa** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:28 pm

bwohlgemuth wrote:
Lest we forget an occupying force that kills civilians at will
You mean the Egyptians and Jordanians?

Sankofa....I think you need to do some more digging into the roots of this conflict. Shall we discuss the expulsion of Jews from arab countries (which necessitated the creation of Israel)? Or how Israel "occupied" the Gaza Strip and West Bank?

The post WW2 master plan to have a base of operations in the Middle East by creating a Jewish country. Keep in mind my perspective is informed by a friend whose family ended up leaving the Gaza Strip for Germany about 12 years back.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:28 pm

bwohlgemuth wrote:
Lest we forget an occupying force that kills civilians at will
You mean the Egyptians and Jordanians?

Sankofa....I think you need to do some more digging into the roots of this conflict. Shall we discuss the expulsion of Jews from arab countries (which necessitated the creation of Israel)? Or how Israel "occupied" the Gaza Strip and West Bank?

Exactly. Jordan kicked them out, Egypt won't take them - no one in the Muslim world will. Yet, every Muslim hate group in the Middle East (and elsewhere) propogandizes them to bring about even more hatred of Israel.

This fight has been going on for at least 5,000 years, and it will probably continue for at least 5,000 more years. The only way it ends is either the Jews actually do get wiped out by genocide, or the Arabs do, especially those in Palestine (considered half-breeds by the Arabs - unless it serves their purpose to adopt them).

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:37 pm

Sankofa wrote:The post WW2 master plan to have a base of operations in the Middle East by creating a Jewish country. Keep in mind my perspective is informed by a friend whose family ended up leaving the Gaza Strip for Germany about 12 years back.

Some questions....

#1. Why did they leave?
#2. Are they willing to go back?
#3. Were they ever citizens of Egypt or Jordan?

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:38 pm

simple plan for peace. Palestinians, you go 1 year without sending terrorists in to Israel, in which case Israel won't bomb you either, because they would have no reason to, and we give you back 1/3 of the Gaza strip. Then we go another year, same deal. After 3 years, you've got it all back. Reverse of that - every time some dipshit w/ an agenda sets off a carbomb at a shopping mall, we take back 1/3 of what you occupy. And to make it fair, any unprovoked attack by Israel speeds up the process of you getting your land back.

Care to guess how much land Palestine would hold after 3 years???? I predict ZERO.

Sankofa · Post by **Sankofa** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:40 pm

bwohlgemuth wrote:
Sankofa wrote:The post WW2 master plan to have a base of operations in the Middle East by creating a Jewish country. Keep in mind my perspective is informed by a friend whose family ended up leaving the Gaza Strip for Germany about 12 years back.
Some questions....

#1. Why did they leave?

-dangerous conditions, from both Israel and Palestine

#2. Are they willing to go back?

-not until it's safe/stable

#3. Were they ever citizens of Egypt or Jordan?

-to the best of my knowledge, they were Palestinian citizens

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:51 pm

Sankofa wrote:
bwohlgemuth wrote:
Sankofa wrote:The post WW2 master plan to have a base of operations in the Middle East by creating a Jewish country. Keep in mind my perspective is informed by a friend whose family ended up leaving the Gaza Strip for Germany about 12 years back.
Some questions....

#1. Why did they leave?

-dangerous conditions, from both Israel and Palestine

#2. Are they willing to go back?

-not until it's safe/stable

#3. Were they ever citizens of Egypt or Jordan?

-to the best of my knowledge, they were Palestinian citizens

I may be wrong, but I don't believe there has ever been a recognized Palestinian Government or Citizenry. Most Palestinians were Jordanian citizens until around the time of the 6 days war when they were expelled.

Sankofa · Post by **Sankofa** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:58 pm

As it's been years since I've been in touch, I couldn't verify one way or the other.

Hutnick · Post by **Hutnick** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:34 pm

bassjones wrote: They need to be completely destroyed. Not every muslim, but yes every muslim that belongs to Hamas or Al Qaida, or whatever other Islamic Jihadist movements there are. Every single one of them, including their women, children, dogs, horses, camels, etc...

Please tell me this is a tasteless joke.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:03 pm

the last sentence was TIC. But yes, I do believe the only solution to dealing with Hamas, Al Qaida, et. al. is to eliminate them from the planet.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:04 pm

On another note, when the Fatah is deemed moderate in your country, you got BIG issues.