sharkmansix wrote:I love how you completely missed (or intentionally ignored) the part of this story where they were kidnapped out of the Ministry of Higher Education and that the kidnappees included both men and women including a visiting female professor.
I really don't know what that has to do with anything.
I put a link to the story in case people wanted to know more. It's not my responsibility to hold every persons hand when it comes to that.
I just find it interesting that 150+ people can be kidnapped at once. In broad daylight. Men, women or children it's impressive and frightening.
Gosh, those Iraqis surely don't want or know what to do with the democracy that we imposed on them. Things would have been so much better for them (especially the women) if we had just left Saddam Hussein in power.
I'm sure the 150,000+ Iraqi's that have died during the occupation would disagree with you here.
Then they could have just been kidnapped legally by Saddam or his boys, raped, tortured, killed and buried in a mass grave with no one saying a thing out loud against it for fear of having the same thing happen to them.
Once again I reiterate, things sure are better there now that the US is involved.
But they wouldn't have been educated so it would have been okay because they're just too dumb to live anyway.
Huh?
Okay, I got a couple of minutes free.
Anyway, my whole point for the most part is that you guys tend to jump all over all of the negative news coming out of Iraq (as facilitated by the mainstream news media) while ignoring or downplaying the good news (that has far outweighed the bad IMHO) that has snuck out of there. You pointed to this news story as an example of "See, see, look how crappy things are over there." I was just using the same news story to point out the great things going on that no one is talking about or focusing on.
Now this doesn't mean that I don't recognize that bad things do happen in war. Its war, pretty much expected. However, I'm tired of everybody saying we're making things worse over there when I believe that with any kind of investigation into the things that we've accomplished it would be hard to come to that conclusion. That is my opinion of course, but it is an opinion formed from doing lots of study and investigating on my own and not just watching CNN or the nightly news.
I'm sure the 150,000+ Iraqi's that have died during the occupation would disagree with you here.
Unless you're Jonathon Edwards, this is pretty much an invalid argument as the dead don't speak. I could just as easily say that those 150,000+ understand that war always brings death to innocents no matter how people try to avoid it, but that they are OK with it because it will mean freedom from tyranny for their loved ones (AKA the 24,850,000 Iraqis still living) in the long run. My invoking the dead adds no more weight to the argument than it does for you.
Well, crud, I've got more to say, but my break is over. More later. Good debate so far, Sharkman. I look forward to more.
