XP vs VISTA

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echosauce1 wrote:I will defend against the software incompatibility issue to say (and this is even true for a mac cough cough...) that any time you upgrade the os, you can count on the fact that not everything is going to be ready for it yet. This happens all the time in music recording software. Sometimes it takes a manufacturer awhile to get up to speed. Give it some time and I'm sure it will not be an issue. They don't call it the "bleeding edge" for nothing.
Yeah...MAC is exceptionally bad with the OS issue...if you went from 9.x to 10 you KNOW you had to repurchase a CRAPLOAD of software...and don't deny it because Jackie's brother-in-law is a MAC nut and it screwed him up something fierce...especially with his overly anal anti-pirate approach to things...

His upgrade cost him thousands in new software that was NOT and would NOT ever be compatible in X without a purchased upgrade.

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Garr wrote:None needed, mate. I was just 'splainin'

Thanks deek. Love the back-up there. Do I need to bring up Stacy Heaton?
Only if I can bring up pulling tennis balls out of bike spokes or playing basketball in the rain...

Back on topic though...

It sounds like unless you are in IT and/or are really excited about file management and organization, Vista is something the home user should just hold on until XP starts losing support for hardware and software.

BTW, OSX 10.5 looks like a champ!!!
Yes, but as you get more familiar with the way Vista does everything you will VERY much like it. The media center aspect of it is nice...I can't really put my finger on one thing, but I have been using it on my main machine for over a year now and love it...I am stuck on 2k at work and will soon be upgrading my machine there to XP. My take home laptop runs XP that I dameware into my 2k desk machine.

Then I have 8 servers that run Server 2000 and Server 2003. My personal server at work...yes I have my own server...is running Server 2003...I also work on a hand full of other stuff like NT4.0 and 98 at work.

At home I have XP, Vista, Server 2003, and Linux fedora core 5 for the server that this lovely site runs on. I have Amiga OS 5.0 running on my ak4 as well as MAC OS 9.7 and Unix on that same machine.

I have an assortment of machines and OSes that I use all the time and I by far prefer working with Vista and Server 2003. I just love the stability of Linux as I am not all that familiar with the OS other than running the server via a CLI on it. Don't get to mess with the GUI of Linux to often.

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Chris, I get what your saying but I don't think the upgrade from mac os 9 to 10 is an entirely fair comparison. It was not a normal upgrade but an entire redesign. In all fairness, programs written for 9 could still run in 10, (by launching 9 within 10) they just sucked doing it. It was different than upgrading from 8 to 9 or say 10.2 to 10.3.

That said, I'm not well versed in windows so maybe 2000 to xp to vista is as big as a jump technically as 9 to 10 was on mac. If so, I'll stand corrected. It doesn't really matter to me. The end result of the tools we use is how effective we use them.
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echosauce1 wrote:Chris, I get what your saying but I don't think the upgrade from mac os 9 to 10 is an entirely fair comparison. It was not a normal upgrade but an entire redesign. In all fairness, programs written for 9 could still run in 10, (by launching 9 within 10) they just sucked doing it. It was different than upgrading from 8 to 9 or say 10.2 to 10.3.

That said, I'm not well versed in windows so maybe 2000 to xp to vista is as big as a jump technically as 9 to 10 was on mac. If so, I'll stand corrected. It doesn't really matter to me. The end result of the tools we use is how effective we use them.
Though 2000 was pretty much the kernel used for XP it was still a complete redesign of the front end. It also introduced an entirely new filesystem that was no usable for 2000.

The technology took a HUGE jump...as it did from 3.1-95 and 95-98 and 98-2000. XP was closely related to what they did with 2000, but still a whole new world...BUT...the software compatibility problem was next to nill. Just about everything that you would run on 2000 would run on XP and for the most part the drivers for 2000 would work for even a fresh install of XP...not just an upgrade...M$ was looking out for everyone when it came to that. The incompatibilities started when companies upgraded their software on their own within the world of XP and no longer supported the version that were originally made for 2000.

Now with Vista there is a SIGNIFICANT change in the structure of the software and it was built from the ground up as a new OS. M$ did a hell of a job making things backwards compatible, but in order to keep ahead of the curve they had to let a lot of things go...mostly because they were STILL sitting on 2000 technology...mostly because the third party companies were along for the ride and not living up to what was expected of them.

Vista also has a new filesystem that ended up on the back burner, but will be release eventually...mostly because of some odd tech issues they got WAY behind.

So yes...Vista is a whole new beast...I have only lost ONE piece of software to it and it was for a scanner that I bought when I was running win98 10 years ago...so I can't complaint. Everything else works perfectly fine...and I run hundreds of pieces of software on this one machine.

Now to the issue of how M$ writes things...there were over 6000 coders on XP and the majority of them plus more moved right into the creation of Vista...I am very impressed with how they managed to get Vista released and have been for the most part on schedule with slight delays. What most people seem to miss is that M$ is writing software for 96% of the market. The variables are astronomical...Apple writes for about 3% of the market...lost of variables, but significantly LESS to worry about. M$ has tens of thousands of people on staff either direct or third party just to handle 'feedback' and troubleshooting...the infrastructure of their 'response' team is larger than the MAC development teams...so I can say that as much as I do genuinely hate M$ and some of their crap they pull...I applaud them for what they have accomplished...

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Yeah, no denying that MS has a huge effort given their market penetration...I do applaud that as well. But if they would open up some of that source, I bet we would have a better quality product...

And yes, Apple has a lot less variables to work with because they control the hardware as well...that is why Macs are normally a higher quality machine, because they were actually built to work well with the software. But that quality comes at a premium.

We're still not on Vista at work and it doesn't sound like we will be anytime soon. XP in the office and on my work laptop. I don't foresee switching over from XP until I have programs that won't run in it or I buy/build a new mid to high end machine...seeing I like running old hardware at home, that likely won't be anytime soon!
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M$ will be opening up to the open source market within the next year. I have read a few articles about it and they have decided that they want to start competing in that area...I don't think 'competing' is the correct term, but they plan on opening up a few things and seeing how it goes.

We will see...:)

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I totally forgot to mention one OS...

Deek (and other real GEEKS) please sit down before reading any further...

Ok...our MAIN internal system here at work runs OPEN VMS on a DEC ALPHA server...yes...VAX...

I will let you regain your composure...

Ok...wb...that is right...my first attempt at understanding and working with this VERY old OS and hardware...so add that to my list of experience now...:) Nothing like running processes on a TERMINAL!!!

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VAX is smooth!!!
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two words... f**k YOU!...lol...can you FEEL my frustration? haha....

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Dell wants another $130 for XP PRO...whats the benefit over XP HOME?
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Bring it to me and I will make it PRO...;) That is crap that they are doing that...since you can get the Vista upgrade DVD for $99 anywhere...

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Still....what's the advantage/difference?
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I must point out...home has all of that stuff now. Mostly always has...it just isn't turned on at install or isn't included on the actual CD...

Really anymore there isn't much difference...Home is much harder to build a network with, but it can be done.

Most users don't use IIS, RIS, or Remote access stuff anyway...nor offline files/folders and the need for scalable processors. However, that stuff is all doable with home...just needs to be installed from the M$ website.

You won't miss PRO if you go with home. If you want I can change the logo at bootup to the XP Pro and any shop wouldn't even realize it..:) I would because of the different location and access to tools.

Which is another thing that PRO has an advantage over home...tools to 'work' on the machine.

Anyway...long story short...you don't 'need' PRO and if you want it...I will make it happen. I have my Corp. OEM. None of it is supported anymore so no one cares about 'issues' anymore...

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^:oops:

I didn't notice the date before. I just found a list that I thought might help.
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