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Interesting

I guess that's another reason to have original music.......

Jeff wrote:1) Mitchell Fremion being sued.

2) Attempts Friday to contact each of the Club Paradise owners were
unsuccessful.

3) Over the past three years ASCAP has sent letters to Club Paradise –
some of them by certified mail – and left countless messages for
owners, which were never returned.

4) A certified letter mailed in July 2006 came back because it was
refused by the business.

With all the sarcasm I can possibly muster, I quote the immortal words of Gomer Pyle, USMC; "Surrrrprise, Surrrrprise, Surrrrprise!!"

Jeff wrote: Situated between Jimmerson Lake and Lake James, Club Paradise is a family-friendly bar and restaurant with nautical-themed décor.

Family-friendly my ass.

3 cheers for ASCAP !!! Original music is also covered under the ASCAP venue licensing agreements. If original music is only performed by the originators, believe me, your income is severely limited. Performance royalties are the backbone of a songwriters income. So if you have original music, you want others to cover it. Silencio, a couple of others and myself, not too long ago, talked about holding a "Songwriters, Copyright and Publishing Seminar". This is one more reason to conduct an event of this type. Know what your rights are, how to generate income from your talent, and pitfalls of the business....and believe me it is a business. Give me your feedback on a seminar of this type. A small fee would be charged to to cover overhead. If enough interest is generated I'll go forward on this. Publishing and copyrights are my business. You can check it out at MySpace.com/foxgrovemusicgroup.

who did the club piss off?

i thought that ASCAP only got involved if someone called them?

anderson wrote:who did the club piss off?

i thought that ASCAP only got involved if someone called them?

Not anymore. ASCAP and BMI are scouring the countryside on foot, I hear.

The license for the club is less than $1500 a year? Pay for the license people! This is how songwriters get their royalty checks and clubs like this are why so many older artists are broke - well, that and scumbags like Barry Gordy.

Oh, and Recordstar/Silencio, that sounds like a great idea.

Am I understanding this right? A band can't throw in a cover or two as crowd pleasers or just because they enjoy playing the song live if the venue hasn't payed for this license? I understand trying to protect the musicians and their rights to their music but when is it going to stop? I agree with making downloading music illegal unless paid for; I also agree with not being able to record someone else's song and putting it on your CD with out proper procedures. But damn this is just playing out. Are musicians (and record companies, believe me I know they have alot to do with this also) going to end up like the Million Dollar Cry Baby athletes we have to hear about everyday crying because they got 5.5 million instead of 7? I mean if when a record company signs a band and actually wanted a great album instead of 2 good radio songs, downloading would of never got as big as it did. It's hard to convince people pay for this ablum when there is only a couple decent songs on it. I agree with what someone said earlier--To the Venues just get the license and keep everyone's asses safe, but on the other hand it's getting a bit outta hand imo!

It is the venues responsibility to pay the licensing fees associated with live music play. The band can play BUT if an injunction has been served to the venue prohibiting play (which I have never seen done in 50 years of being in the business) then you can't. You really don't have to worry about it. However, if you are a dedicated professional in the music business, it's like not crossing a union strike line. If the venue don't pay...don't play.

Right on.

Recordstar wrote: if an injunction has been served to the venue prohibiting play (which I have never seen done in 50 years of being in the business) then you can't.

Imagine what that would do to the local music scene.

I surely hope the local musicians realize that "playing a gig" is not the only thing in the "local" music scene. When you encompass all the factors, writing, recording, booking, promoting, buying equipment, musical arrangements, marketing...playing the gig is a small factor in creating income. And I know you of all people realize this.

Recordstar wrote:writing, recording, booking, promoting, buying equipment, musical arrangements, marketing...playing the gig is a small factor in creating income.

That may very well be so, but which of the items you listed create income? It looks like an expense sheet.

This is a touchy subject- I talked to a tiny coffee shop owner recently and she's been receiving constant phone calls asking about shows from someone trying to get her to pay for the licensing. She barely makes a profit and hardly anyone shows up for shows anyhow. She wants to support the scene without banning the artists from their usual 1 or 2-cover sets, and told me she wasn't "allowed" to play a burned copy of a friend's original music cd.